This week we will discuss the issues surround hiring in the police force.
Following up from the last class, we learned that more emphasis is being placed on education rather than on the traditional mode of "training and development" provided at the academy.
Consider the following when responding to the discussion questions:
1. If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years, is s/he qualified for a promotion to a senior management position, even though s/he has no formal education beyond the the academy? If yes, why? If no, why not?
2. How does having a college degree help the officer on the street with decision making?
3. Should the college degree be mandatory for entry level officer positions in ALL police departments?
4. Will your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How?
If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years, is s/he qualified for a promotion to a senior management position, even though s/he has no formal education beyond the academy? If yes, why? If no, why not?
I definitely think that the officer should receive some type of promotion (grandfathered in). However I don’t believe he or she may be qualified for an administrative position in the ranks. I can’t say I see that person as the chief of police for a county. But I may see that person as the head detective of the homicide branch. Why I say that is because being on the force that many years you are subject to seeing a lot of situations and scenarios on the streets. Whereas you may not be knowledgeable enough to know what goes on as far as paper work goes on an administrative level. I’ve learned that a police officer can do more damage with a pen in their hand versus a rifle in their hand. The black and blue ink is a powerful tool!
How does having a college degree help the officer on the street with decision making?
I say being an officer nowadays you need to be equipped with two standards. Streets smart and book smarts. If their isn’t one thing we learned from studying different criminals mind aspects is that more and more these criminals have a lot of smarts. I say some criminals are a lot smarter than some of our college graduates. Some times being on the force your place in a certain scenarios where having some kind of college knowledge would be sufficient. Like a hostage situation. The officer must have some kind of knowledge to be able to talk that person out of the situation peacefully. Just a certain sentence in a split second may be what’s needed to suppress that certain situation. I say having that college degree can help that officer when it comes to decision making…
Should the college degree be mandatory for entry level officer positions in ALL police departments?
Yes and no I’m two sided when it comes to this question. Only because I wouldn’t want to hinder some ones dream of becoming an officer just because they don’t want to go to college or doesn’t have some kind of college degree, college isn’t for everyone. Having a high school diploma or GED is sufficient enough. Normally when in high school or after high school one may think of their career or job, you have some officers who look at being an officer as their career and not just a job. So after high school if that person knows that they want to be an officer because the view it as a career, why should we subject them to take college credits. They are ready for the workforce. Now if we were talking about an administrative entry level position then yes they definitely need some type of college degree.
Will your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How?
Yes, my degrees will definitely help me with my career. My B.S degree will help me with acquiring some type of administrative level position whether it is working for Immigration or Social Security or even the States Attorney office. The Master Degree I plan to acquire will help me when I eventually decide to retire and teach at a College or University.
Yesterday, I understood that we have to post our comments at the bottom of the other old posts. I did it, but now I see Dr. Kalam that you created another week, therefore I’m posting my comments again.
1. If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years, is s/he qualified for a promotion to a senior management position, even though s/he has no formal education beyond the academy? If yes, why? If no, why not?
First at all, each person is different and some has innate skills for certain things. For some police officers fifteen years of experience in the field can give them wide rounded knowledge. If an officer has worked in many units and knows how they run, he/she doesn’t need formal education. However, once that person gets the position he/she need go back and get some education for having even better education.
Nevertheless, higher education reduces time required for movement in rank and assignment to specialized positions. Higher education will enhance an officer’s probability of rising to the top regardless of whether the agency requires formal education as a precondition of employment.
2. How does having a college degree help the officer on the street with decision making?
Colleges offer a wide variety of courses on subjects not taught by law enforcement departments. A college degree gives you more information and doesn’t give you necessarily the answers. However, an officer with a college degree will be able to analyze, interpret, and make better judgments than an officer that hasn’t one. He/she will be more prepare in deciding what to do in a particular situation because he/she probably took courses which emphasizes problem solving, critical thinking.
In addition, the officer with college-level can develop understanding on how perceptions influence behavior and he/she has the ability to flexible handle difficult or ambiguous situations. A college-educated officer is assumed to be less rigid in decision making.
3. Should the college degree be mandatory for entry level officer positions in ALL police departments?
I agree that a college degree is a positive thing. However, by demanding a degree you will limit a lot of people for getting the position—because they are not “books smarts” but they are good and skillful. In fact, there are excellent cops that are “street smarts.” Also, it is known that minorities have not the financial access to higher education as Whites have; therefore, a college degree will prevent them from joining the police academy.
Some police departments encourage their officers to get higher education. The departments may pay for the tuition, fees, books and others costs, or officer may pay for them. Officers should take advantages for any assistant provide by police departments. Through education officers will learn the theory which will reinforce what they are “seeing on the streets.”
I think that a college degree as a mandatory policy for entry level positions in all departments will close many doors for minorities and those socio-economic disadvantaged. The requirement of a college degree for police employment may be a discriminatory measure.
4. Will your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How?
Yes, because it will open me doors. I’ll have more to offer than a person without a college degree. Also, a college degree develops a greater empathy for diverse populations and their unique life experience which is really necessary in our multicultural society where we live. In addition, it gives me many other tools such as better communication skills, understanding on people’s behavior, problem solving, critical thinking, etc.
I disagree, just in part, with Maria Annarino about what she stated related to the 1st question: “This individual I believe is more than qualified for the position.”
Unfortunately, for some people fifteen years of work not necessarily means to have got the necessary skill for performing a senior management position. No all people are successful at work—some are mediocre and some are really bad.
To qualify for a promotion to a senior management position, the prospective manager should show some basic management skills such as technical skills (all the procedures necessary to be a “good cop”), administrative skills (organizing, delegating, and directing the work of others), conceptual skills (ability to problem solve, plan and see the big picture and how all the pieces within it fit), and people skills (being able to communicate clearly, to motivate, to discipline appropriately and to inspire).
Obviously, not all candidates would possess the mentioned qualifications.
1. If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years, is s/he qualified for a promotion to a senior management position, even though s/he has no formal education beyond the the academy? If yes, why? If no, why not?
No, I do not believe that the officer will be qualified enough for a higher position due to lack of education. The officer may know the and do the "hands-on" well due to his experience. But when it pertains to certain documentations and procedures that has to be followed according to the "book" he will not be able to meet those particular goals; which will interfer with his position if given.
For example, if he is given a position to oversee officers and the officers in his unit all have a B.A or higher it will rise questions and conflicts wouldn't you think? If he is asking questions to his subordinates because he does not know how to follow certain procedures... its not fair for one, it may start complaints to HIS superiors, also may be frusterating for his unit...since he should have more knowledge in the field...etc
I disagree with Lubens Jean Baptiste with some part that he wrote for question #1. A person at a senior management position is not limited to know how “to present topics, develop a PowerPoint, or spreadsheet.” To be effective, managers at all levels must learn how to plan, organize, coordinate, report and budget. Along with this, managers should take courses relating to communication, motivation and leadership skills.
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2. How does having a college degree help the officer on the street with decision making?
It may help in many ways. For one, its obvious we all attend college to increase wisdom! But what does college really do for us? Yes, it gives us employment, better pay, etc. I believe most importantly it gives us professionalism. However, I'm not speaking for everyone..not everyone with a college degree is a professional unfortunately!
So when it comes to decision making for an officer with a degree it helps him/her rationalize certain situations appropriately and consider what he/she has learned in the classroom and put it into action.
I 100% agree with Eugenia when she says "A person at a senior management position is not limited to know how “to present topics, develop a PowerPoint, or spreadsheet.” To be effective, managers at all levels must learn how to plan, organize, coordinate, report and budget. Along with this, managers should take courses relating to communication, motivation and leadership skills". In response to what Lubens said. I say all aspects mention above are needed when having a admin position in a police dept.
1. If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years, is s/he qualified for a promotion to a senior management position, even though s/he has no formal education beyond the the academy? If yes, why? If no, why not?
No.
The only way that individual can even be considered is he/she has had outside (3rd party training and education) for the position in addition to the 15 years experience of such SOPs and outside field work then I believe it is a fair candidacy for the promotion.
2. How does having a college degree help the officer on the street with decision making? In a college environment you don’t have the pressure on getting things done in the same format that you have at work. In your classes you learn to listen and articulate with other peers. They may come from backgrounds and diversities that mimic some of the street individuals that one faces. This kind of interaction enriches our understanding of other’s ideas and behaviors and as such will greatly influence better decisions out on the street. Also the academic teachings obtained can always be supplemental in our mental critical thinking applications that we face on a daily base whether street, office, and off duty.
If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years or more, should they qualified for a promotion in senior management position? I am divided in this since every individual is different. In some way, I do believe that if he or she already has the experience, and if they are willing to accept this position, I do not see anything wrong with it. The experience gained in the field (meaning in the street, office, media, and other supervisor)prepares you better than the one offered in a school. I am not saying school or professor do not teach the students, but when it comes to this type of field, hands on experience is the best education.
3. Should the college degree be mandatory for entry level officer positions in ALL police departments? Yes, it should be a mandatory entry level requirement. An uneducated individual will have a more difficult time making the choices that we learn to deal with in school.
4. Will your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How? Yes it will. It will allow me to apply for law school, which after law school I may work as an attorney. Knowing the law is a very powerful thing and it has many rewards, besides the economic factor it provides, it also keeps one on the latest movements that the law goes to.
Having a college degree MAY help an officer on the street with decision making, because when the officer has been to college, they are required to take a course in human behavior as well as other courses that in return helps prepare the student to have a better understanding in how human behavior works. In addition, the college prepares the students with different scenarios, role play activities to give the students a little bit of more knowledge in how to prevent certain situations to escalate and to be able to negotiate.
3. Should the college degree be mandatory for entry level officer positions in ALL police departments?
No, not necessarily. But I think they should enforce them to attend college after they have completed at least two years in the department. If they want to be considered for any higher position other than just a police officer.
So either they remain an officer or pursue a higher position through education. Other wise, no superior position will be offered unless the degree is completed!
For an entry level position, no you do not a college degree to be mandatory. One of the requirements to be a police officer is to be 18 years old, usually an 18 year old will only have a high school diploma or GED for an education. If this is the case, then the age requirement will need to be increase.
Maritza21 comes to my mind the eternal debate about who are betters: the “books smarts” or the “street smarts”?
Many officers have been promoted without formal education; but then, they have obtained their corresponding educational backgrounds which make them “publicly” deserving of such position, besides that it gives them more knowledge and expertness.
I agree that a pen is a powerful tool as is the ability to rationalize your thoughts using a combination of your training and education. One is no good without the other in many cases. Yet in certain circumstances, street smarts are critical and cannot be taught to anyone except on the job.
But I would say that Knowing how to respond to difficult management issues does require that:
the person is motivated The person has the ability the person applies a thought process the person evaluates their decisions.... the person IS THE KEY COMPONENT
4. Will your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How?
Yes, it will partially help me with my career. I say partially because my degree will be focused on at-risk kids. So to a certain extent you have to have the heart to work with troubled kids. My degree will help me with the knowledge I need to gain to follow procedures needed. But the other half will be based on my persona.
Will my college degree help me with my career, the answer is YES. First of all, if I want to pursue my Master's Degree, I would have need to have received BA from an accredited school. In today's work force, in most of the position that I would like to futher my career in, an a BA is required.
Joel J Flores I read your answers and now I know that you want to work as an attorney, good luck in reaching your goal … but, don’t forget that an attorney, as a practitioner of law, pursues the justice.
And now, how we can think in justice if we are discriminating? … According to your response to the question #3 about the entry level for all police departments, you wrote: “Yes, it should be a mandatory entry level requirement. An uneducated individual will have a more difficult time making the choices that we learn to deal with in school.”
Demanding a college degree will prevent a lot of people—and very good candidates—belonging to minorities with low income and other socio-economic disadvantaged from becoming police officers. Is that not discrimination? In our multicultural society we need to see ourselves proportionally represented at different levels in the workplaces.
The interactions with others in an Academic setting does improve the opportunities for learning. Sharing thoughts with others and developing an understanding of how people think in relation to problem solving, for example, does foster learning learning.
Response to questions 1: I would like to say yes but, unfortunately without a degree (even an A.A. is better than nothing) I could not promote them to Senior management. The officer would lack the proper acedemic training to be able to make Senior Management decisions. I would ask them to go back to school for a degree in the one of the following: Criminal Justice, Business Administration, Public administration or Human Resources and after they graduate we could happily revisit the topic of promotion.
In response to question 1, I believe the officer who has been on the force for 15 years but has no formal education history, such as a college degree SHOULD NOT be qualified for a promotion to a senior management position because this position requires alot of of responsibility, knowledge of effective management, proper supervision. Formal education beyond the academy enhances the officer's intellect and discretion to properly perform better on the job and be qualified for promotion. This is obviously the SOP for moving up in ranking in virtually all police departments.
Answer to question 2: Having a degree helps the officer not see a situation as a problem but more like an Opportunity that can be managed. An acedemic backgrounds will hopefully help the officer to be able to come up with a well thoughout plans on how to better manage time, resources, and technology.
I think that the requirements should have some relationship with the size of the city, population, rate of crime, and things like that. For instance, a small town with few inhabitants maybe should not demand college degree. On the other hand, a big city, very populated, with high rate of crime should require such college degree in order to have most competent personnel for dealing with a variety of most complicated tasks and problems.
In response to question 2, I believe the degree ONLY helps the officer to an extent in decision making on the street. Yes, knowing theories and explanations why crime exists does open a new path to the officer, but I believe decision making in the street is more on a personal level. The officer has to be "street smart", be aware of every little detail of his surroundings, and have high discretion in his decisions he makes with society. These characteristics are learned from a young age but cannot be learned with a college degree; but the degree I do believe helps the officer understand criminals and their victims.
Answer to question 3: I think that all officers should have a minimum of an A.A. degree to be able to work in the criminal Justice field. These are people who can arrest others and forever change that persons life. These are also the people we are entrusting to not violate civil and constitutional rights of those the person they are arresting. Unfortunately this would make it impossible to hire a substancial amount of police officers especially in a big city. What I would do is place it as a hiring requirement. That new officers would have to get an A.A. in a 4 year time period. All new hire after the intial group would have to have a A.A. degree to be able to apply. You could always scrub toilets at the police station if you don't want to get an A.A.
Abswer to question 4: I want to work at the federal level but even at Miami Dade county or private company you are required to have a 4yr degree to be a crime scene investigator. At the federal level the FBI or NCIS will not take you without a bachelors degree. So for me a B.A.S. is requirement
In response to question 3, YES, the college degree SHOULD be mandatory for all entry level officer positions in ALL police departments. Having the degree represents experience and professionalism about the career the person pursues and has a wide range of knowledge in the criminal justice system. Without a college degree, entry officers must be obliged to go back to school after training and the academy for formal education. But yes, a college degree should be mandatory for all entry level officers.
In response to question 4, I do believe my college degree will help me tremendously in the future and in my career. It will not only look good in my resume, but it will show any agency that I am educated and have knowledge of the criminal justice system. My degree can help me open new doors to a successful career, network with other important people in the industry, and even pursue a higher degree in college in the future if I want to.
I agree with Mike Calderon on the reply he posted on question 4. There is one thing I would like to add to this posting. It is that regardless of the agency, a bachelor's degree was great about 10 years ago, today it means as much as a high school diploma. Given that said, if we stop at a bachelor's point then we are only worth so much to the professional world. We have to strive minimum on a master's degree. Hopefully things will settle and not require a PHD in the next 10 years.
I believe that policing has become a more comprehensive CAREER in the last 20 years. It has transitioned over time and requires that police officers be more "people" oriented than before. I do believe that along with a degree (in any field really) should be a major factor in determining a promotion of that rank along with the experience. You have to have experience that is hands on, and be book smart.
Decision making is something we do all day long. In policing, the officers decisions can determine many things such as taking / losing their life. I think officers should know about measuring risks, critical thinking and communication.
I think a college degree is imporatant but not required at the time of the application. It can be something they can obtain over time (& be paid for by the dept).
In my career, I HAVE to HAVE a Bachelors degree. I am required to many different tasks and communicate with different types of people. A college degree will allow me to formally do case management quality assurance (over-seeing all case management at a supervisory level) or interpret state/federal policies to create local operating procedures.
In response to Jessenia, you are so right, you can't even be a mail room clerk if you dont have a degree anymore. Miami Dade County actually hires you for certain jobs if you have an Associates degree and actual hands on steady work experience in the related field for 1 year or more.
I strongly belive that an officer that has been on the force for 15 deserves the higher position as opposed to hiring someone that has a degree but has not worked for the department. When we aply for a job, one of the questions in the application is years of experience related to the desired position.Book smart does not give us the necessary experience needed in order to perform at the desired position. Regardless of whether the person been hired has a degree or not, the department still has to train that person accordingly, they might as weel train someone that has showed them loyalty and the desire to grow within the department. As my cuban grandfather used to always say "mas vale malo conocido que bueno por conocer"(is better a bad already known;than a good to be known).
I also agree that a police officer’s requirement should be to have 21 years old. A police officer needs a lot of good judgment for deciding things as well as other cognitive skills. An eighteen-year old person is not totally capable for choosing the best options considering his/her frontal lobe reaches full maturity around age 25; thus, marking the cognitive maturity associated with adulthood.
I see everyones point as to how a degree is somewhat beneficial when making a decision, but in my opinion people skills are not learned. You can sharpen the skills and train the person to be better when dealing with the public but that is something that can not be taught. I have seen many students that are close to graduating with a bachelors degree yet they do not know how to effetively communicate with others. I have also seen people that do not know to read or write but they have a special way of treating others and actually get their point across. I am not saying it is ok for an officer not to know how to read or write, what I think is that if you have the basic education such as an associates degree and are able to pass all the required tests, the person should be allowed to be an officer. Which brings me to question 3. I think the degree requirement should be left as it is. As long as the person can prove through tests that they are capable of handlng the job then it should be ok.
1. If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years, is s/he qualified for a promotion to a senior management position, even though s/he has no formal education beyond the academy? If yes, why? If no, why not?
Yes, the officer should be qualified for the promotion based on 15 years of experience and job knowledge. Although, s/he has no formal education beyond the academy it still should not disqualified them. Having a college degree doesn’t give experience. Many management positions require you to have a number of years experience, and should you not have the years experience a degree is required.
In my career, not only is a PHD required, but it will also help me learn how to disect the human body and mind. My goal is to be a forensic psychologist and as much as I would love to have been borned knowing all about it, its impossible. I have to spend years learning to perform all pathological procedures and I also have to learn how to read and analyze the human brain. The reason a degree is required is because we are not borned knowing how to cut up a person to determine causes of death or we are not pre-equipped to speak to a serial killer suspect and determine based on interview and evidence collected at the crime scene whether the person is guilty or not. Further I have to be able to reconstruct the crime scenes based on what I know about the case. I think it would be ridiculous not to require a degree for what I want to do given that it takes many years of study to learn each and every aspect of my carrer.
I agree with Eugenia. The age requirement should be raised to 21 yrs of age. This will also give that individual applying to the police department time to hopefully be more mature, have some life experiences and time to have atleast gone to school to receive a A.A. degree.
I agree Dr. Kalam. Life skills, street saviness and aptitude is needed to be an effective police officer. Police officers should be able to be more attentive to details. It is in those details that sometimes helps you solve the who done it and why types of crimes. This attentiveness is not learned but it is something that you are born with. Education maybe helps fine tune that saviness.
In order for someone to take the role of Senior management they must be able to see ahead. There must be goals that are set and their directives have to be clear so others can follow through. Senior management are the leaders that every one must follow by example. The last thing you want is to place someone with lower qualifications to run a section of the police department. The problem with placing someone with lower qualifications is that they may not have the knowledge or leadership skills to complete their task effectively and may start falling behing on their duties, thus bring their department down to lower standards.
Has anyone else viewed the video that is posted? It is old and black and white film, but it is not so far off. The police departments still handle some of these situations of the mentally ill, 40 years latter exactly the same.
2. How does having a college degree help the officer on the street with decision making?
A college degree would help the officer a great deal when it comes to decision making. The officer is able to analyze, communicate, and interpret information that is being giving to him. He is then able to perform his duties better. Also, it wouldn’t hurt to be a little street smart.
3. Should the college degree be mandatory for entry level officer positions in ALL police departments?
I don’t think a college degree should be mandatory for a entry level police officer position. For instants, if a person has a college degree s/he is likely not going to apply for an entry level position as a officer. They’re going to look at it as if I went to school four years just to put my life on the line. They would apply for the position that’s a lot less dangerous. College is not for everybody.
4. Will your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How?
Yes, it will. I think with today’s job market to become a crime scene investigator my B.S. degree will open up many doors, since many agencies require you to have A.A or A.S degree. Also, having my degree will allow my to advance to management positions. With a degree it helps you to communicate and make better decisions.
Will your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How? Yes, my college degree will help me with my career by helping me understand the policy and standards of the Criminal Justice career. I also plan on trying to go to the federal side of law enforcement like the F.B.I even though I know its hard to get in. This college degree is increasing my intellegience in the field. A college degree is the minimum to a lot of higher end jobs.
I watched the video, and it all makes sense now. When you look at the prison population today, many of them are mentally ill and do not get the proper rehabilitative services they need to "get better" or control their conditions after they are released. I think that is why they recidivate. But thanks for pointing that out.
Also, the video points out and supports the idea that because police may be dealing with people who are mentally ill, they require more than a police academy training. They should require that officers have formal education (at entry or early on in their career) to have a better understanding of how to deal with this population and their thinking process (psych class, sociology, human begavior, etc.).
I agree with mmartinez here "train someone that has showed them loyalty and the desire to grow within the department". This shows that this is not just a job, or a check, but a career. The risk that officers put themselves in every day is just too much and we sometimes overlook that and just want the policeman to come solve our problem, and keep it moving. Whenever I have a guest speaker in my classes and they say they have a Bachelors degree, or a Masters, I am amazed and I see that as a great accomplishment because it shows that they are more than just your neighborhood cop. They actually were educated and understand this world better and can apply their knowledge to the work they do such as in community policing. So the officer has an advantage because he has done the job and he has been formally educated.
Monica I see your point when you say that college is not for everyone. I agree with you. Some people are also bad test takers. So if your knowledge is going to based on your test scores and not performance, it won't be fair.
I agree that college is not for everyone, and would also include that some don't need it because they are naturally gifted. I say that because I have been encountered with several people that have great positions with good companies/organizations and are just fine making fairly good money.
I definitely think that the officer should receive some type of promotion . However, I don’t believe he or she may be qualified for a management position in the ranks. I can’t say I see that person as the head chief of police for a county. Why I say that is because being on the force that many years you are exposed to a lot of situations and scenarios on the streets. Even if you may not be knowledgeable enough to know what goes on at management level. I further believe that a person not properly educated can do more damage to an organization.
I agree with Lilian Coto, They should require that police officers have formal education/training to have a better understanding of how to deal with the mentally ill population and their thinking process.
I also agree with Jessinia Adkinson, Answer to question 4: A college degree help you with your career . So, for me a B.A.S. is a step and then on to my Masters. I agree with the statistics on those with degrees not only earn more but, make better more educated choices.
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This week we will discuss the issues surround hiring in the police force.
ReplyDeleteFollowing up from the last class, we learned that more emphasis is being placed on education rather than on the traditional mode of "training and development" provided at the academy.
Consider the following when responding to the discussion questions:
1. If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years, is s/he qualified for a promotion to a senior management position, even though s/he has no formal education beyond the the academy? If yes, why? If no, why not?
2. How does having a college degree help the officer on the street with decision making?
3. Should the college degree be mandatory for entry level officer positions in ALL police departments?
4. Will your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How?
Thank you for your responses,
Dr. Kalam
November 7, 2009 4:09 PM
November 8, 2009 9:56 AM
If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years, is s/he qualified for a promotion to a senior management position, even though s/he has no formal education beyond the academy? If yes, why? If no, why not?
ReplyDeleteI definitely think that the officer should receive some type of promotion (grandfathered in). However I don’t believe he or she may be qualified for an administrative position in the ranks. I can’t say I see that person as the chief of police for a county. But I may see that person as the head detective of the homicide branch. Why I say that is because being on the force that many years you are subject to seeing a lot of situations and scenarios on the streets. Whereas you may not be knowledgeable enough to know what goes on as far as paper work goes on an administrative level. I’ve learned that a police officer can do more damage with a pen in their hand versus a rifle in their hand. The black and blue ink is a powerful tool!
How does having a college degree help the officer on the street with decision making?
ReplyDeleteI say being an officer nowadays you need to be equipped with two standards. Streets smart and book smarts. If their isn’t one thing we learned from studying different criminals mind aspects is that more and more these criminals have a lot of smarts. I say some criminals are a lot smarter than some of our college graduates. Some times being on the force your place in a certain scenarios where having some kind of college knowledge would be sufficient. Like a hostage situation. The officer must have some kind of knowledge to be able to talk that person out of the situation peacefully. Just a certain sentence in a split second may be what’s needed to suppress that certain situation. I say having that college degree can help that officer when it comes to decision making…
Should the college degree be mandatory for entry level officer positions in ALL police departments?
ReplyDeleteYes and no I’m two sided when it comes to this question. Only because I wouldn’t want to hinder some ones dream of becoming an officer just because they don’t want to go to college or doesn’t have some kind of college degree, college isn’t for everyone. Having a high school diploma or GED is sufficient enough. Normally when in high school or after high school one may think of their career or job, you have some officers who look at being an officer as their career and not just a job. So after high school if that person knows that they want to be an officer because the view it as a career, why should we subject them to take college credits. They are ready for the workforce. Now if we were talking about an administrative entry level position then yes they definitely need some type of college degree.
Will your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How?
ReplyDeleteYes, my degrees will definitely help me with my career. My B.S degree will help me with acquiring some type of administrative level position whether it is working for Immigration or Social Security or even the States Attorney office. The Master Degree I plan to acquire will help me when I eventually decide to retire and teach at a College or University.
Yesterday, I understood that we have to post our comments at the bottom of the other old posts. I did it, but now I see Dr. Kalam that you created another week, therefore I’m posting my comments again.
ReplyDelete1. If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years, is s/he qualified for a promotion to a senior management position, even though s/he has no formal education beyond the academy? If yes, why? If no, why not?
ReplyDeleteFirst at all, each person is different and some has innate skills for certain things. For some police officers fifteen years of experience in the field can give them wide rounded knowledge. If an officer has worked in many units and knows how they run, he/she doesn’t need formal education. However, once that person gets the position he/she need go back and get some education for having even better education.
Nevertheless, higher education reduces time required for movement in rank and assignment to specialized positions. Higher education will enhance an officer’s probability of rising to the top regardless of whether the agency requires formal education as a precondition of employment.
2. How does having a college degree help the officer on the street with decision making?
ReplyDeleteColleges offer a wide variety of courses on subjects not taught by law enforcement departments. A college degree gives you more information and doesn’t give you necessarily the answers. However, an officer with a college degree will be able to analyze, interpret, and make better judgments than an officer that hasn’t one. He/she will be more prepare in deciding what to do in a particular situation because he/she probably took courses which emphasizes problem solving, critical thinking.
In addition, the officer with college-level can develop understanding on how perceptions influence behavior and he/she has the ability to flexible handle difficult or ambiguous situations. A college-educated officer is assumed to be less rigid in decision making.
3. Should the college degree be mandatory for entry level officer positions in ALL police departments?
ReplyDeleteI agree that a college degree is a positive thing. However, by demanding a degree you will limit a lot of people for getting the position—because they are not “books smarts” but they are good and skillful. In fact, there are excellent cops that are “street smarts.” Also, it is known that minorities have not the financial access to higher education as Whites have; therefore, a college degree will prevent them from joining the police academy.
Some police departments encourage their officers to get higher education. The departments may pay for the tuition, fees, books and others costs, or officer may pay for them. Officers should take advantages for any assistant provide by police departments. Through education officers will learn the theory which will reinforce what they are “seeing on the streets.”
I think that a college degree as a mandatory policy for entry level positions in all departments will close many doors for minorities and those socio-economic disadvantaged. The requirement of a college degree for police employment may be a discriminatory measure.
4. Will your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How?
ReplyDeleteYes, because it will open me doors. I’ll have more to offer than a person without a college degree. Also, a college degree develops a greater empathy for diverse populations and their unique life experience which is really necessary in our multicultural society where we live. In addition, it gives me many other tools such as better communication skills, understanding on people’s behavior, problem solving, critical thinking, etc.
I disagree, just in part, with Maria Annarino about what she stated related to the 1st question: “This individual I believe is more than qualified for the position.”
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, for some people fifteen years of work not necessarily means to have got the necessary skill for performing a senior management position. No all people are successful at work—some are mediocre and some are really bad.
To qualify for a promotion to a senior management position, the prospective manager should show some basic management skills such as technical skills (all the procedures necessary to be a “good cop”), administrative skills (organizing, delegating, and directing the work of others), conceptual skills (ability to problem solve, plan and see the big picture and how all the pieces within it fit), and people skills (being able to communicate clearly, to motivate, to discipline appropriately and to inspire).
Obviously, not all candidates would possess the mentioned qualifications.
1. If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years, is s/he qualified for a promotion to a senior management position, even though s/he has no formal education beyond the the academy? If yes, why? If no, why not?
ReplyDeleteNo, I do not believe that the officer will be qualified enough for a higher position due to lack of education. The officer may know the and do the "hands-on" well due to his experience. But when it pertains to certain documentations and procedures that has to be followed according to the "book" he will not be able to meet those particular goals; which will interfer with his position if given.
For example, if he is given a position to oversee officers and the officers in his unit all have a B.A or higher it will rise questions and conflicts wouldn't you think? If he is asking questions to his subordinates because he does not know how to follow certain procedures... its not fair for one, it may start complaints to HIS superiors, also may be frusterating for his unit...since he should have more knowledge in the field...etc
I disagree with Lubens Jean Baptiste with some part that he wrote for question #1. A person at a senior management position is not limited to know how “to present topics, develop a PowerPoint, or spreadsheet.” To be effective, managers at all levels must learn how to plan, organize, coordinate, report and budget. Along with this, managers should take courses relating to communication, motivation and leadership skills.
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ReplyDeleteI have blog on the first week one. I received your email saying just to leave it however, I wanted to make sure I let you know. Thank you for your time
2. How does having a college degree help the officer on the street with decision making?
ReplyDeleteIt may help in many ways. For one, its obvious we all attend college to increase wisdom! But what does college really do for us? Yes, it gives us employment, better pay, etc. I believe most importantly it gives us professionalism. However, I'm not speaking for everyone..not everyone with a college degree is a professional unfortunately!
So when it comes to decision making for an officer with a degree it helps him/her rationalize certain situations appropriately and consider what he/she has learned in the classroom and put it into action.
I 100% agree with Eugenia when she says "A person at a senior management position is not limited to know how “to present topics, develop a PowerPoint, or spreadsheet.” To be effective, managers at all levels must learn how to plan, organize, coordinate, report and budget. Along with this, managers should take courses relating to communication, motivation and leadership skills". In response to what Lubens said. I say all aspects mention above are needed when having a admin position in a police dept.
ReplyDelete1. If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years, is s/he qualified for a promotion to a senior management position, even though s/he has no formal education beyond the the academy? If yes, why? If no, why not?
ReplyDeleteNo.
The only way that individual can even be considered is he/she has had outside (3rd party training and education) for the position in addition to the 15 years experience of such SOPs and outside field work then I believe it is a fair candidacy for the promotion.
2. How does having a college degree help the officer on the street with decision making?
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It also helps when you deal with individuals in your community, how you approach and speak to them determines "most" outcomes.
2. How does having a college degree help the officer on the street with decision making?
ReplyDeleteIn a college environment you don’t have the pressure on getting things done in the same format that you have at work. In your classes you learn to listen and articulate with other peers. They may come from backgrounds and diversities that mimic some of the street individuals that one faces. This kind of interaction enriches our understanding of other’s ideas and behaviors and as such will greatly influence better decisions out on the street. Also the academic teachings obtained can always be supplemental in our mental critical thinking applications that we face on a daily base whether street, office, and off duty.
If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years or more, should they qualified for a promotion in senior management position? I am divided in this since every individual is different. In some way, I do believe that if he or she already has the experience, and if they are willing to accept this position, I do not see anything wrong with it. The experience gained in the field (meaning in the street, office, media, and other supervisor)prepares you better than the one offered in a school. I am not saying school or professor do not teach the students, but when it comes to this type of field, hands on experience is the best education.
ReplyDelete3. Should the college degree be mandatory for entry level officer positions in ALL police departments?
ReplyDeleteYes, it should be a mandatory entry level requirement. An uneducated individual will have a more difficult time making the choices that we learn to deal with in school.
4. Will your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How?
ReplyDeleteYes it will. It will allow me to apply for law school, which after law school I may work as an attorney. Knowing the law is a very powerful thing and it has many rewards, besides the economic factor it provides, it also keeps one on the latest movements that the law goes to.
Having a college degree MAY help an officer on the street with decision making, because when the officer has been to college, they are required to take a course in human behavior as well as other courses that in return helps prepare the student to have a better understanding in how human behavior works. In addition, the college prepares the students with different scenarios, role play activities to give the students a little bit of more knowledge in how to prevent certain situations to escalate and to be able to negotiate.
ReplyDelete3. Should the college degree be mandatory for entry level officer positions in ALL police departments?
ReplyDeleteNo, not necessarily. But I think they should enforce them to attend college after they have completed at least two years in the department. If they want to be considered for any higher position other than just a police officer.
So either they remain an officer or pursue a higher position through education. Other wise, no superior position will be offered unless the degree is completed!
For an entry level position, no you do not a college degree to be mandatory. One of the requirements to be a police officer is to be 18 years old, usually an 18 year old will only have a high school diploma or GED for an education. If this is the case, then the age requirement will need to be increase.
ReplyDeleteMaritza21 comes to my mind the eternal debate about who are betters: the “books smarts” or the “street smarts”?
ReplyDeleteMany officers have been promoted without formal education; but then, they have obtained their corresponding educational backgrounds which make them “publicly” deserving of such position, besides that it gives them more knowledge and expertness.
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ReplyDeleteI agree that a pen is a powerful tool as is the ability to rationalize your thoughts using a combination of your training and education. One is no good without the other in many cases. Yet in certain circumstances, street smarts are critical and cannot be taught to anyone except on the job.
But I would say that Knowing how to respond to difficult management issues does require that:
the person is motivated
The person has the ability
the person applies a thought process
the person evaluates their decisions....
the person IS THE KEY COMPONENT
4. Will your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How?
ReplyDeleteYes, it will partially help me with my career. I say partially because my degree will be focused on at-risk kids. So to a certain extent you have to have the heart to work with troubled kids. My degree will help me with the knowledge I need to gain to follow procedures needed. But the other half will be based on my persona.
jessenia chavarria....
ReplyDeleteI would agree with the age limit being increased.....maybe to 21 oppose to 18
Will my college degree help me with my career, the answer is YES. First of all, if I want to pursue my Master's Degree, I would have need to have received BA from an accredited school. In today's work force, in most of the position that I would like to futher my career in, an a BA is required.
ReplyDeleteJoel J Flores I read your answers and now I know that you want to work as an attorney, good luck in reaching your goal … but, don’t forget that an attorney, as a practitioner of law, pursues the justice.
ReplyDeleteAnd now, how we can think in justice if we are discriminating? … According to your response to the question #3 about the entry level for all police departments, you wrote: “Yes, it should be a mandatory entry level requirement. An uneducated individual will have a more difficult time making the choices that we learn to deal with in school.”
Demanding a college degree will prevent a lot of people—and very good candidates—belonging to minorities with low income and other socio-economic disadvantaged from becoming police officers. Is that not discrimination? In our multicultural society we need to see ourselves proportionally represented at different levels in the workplaces.
Yes Joel:
ReplyDeleteThe interactions with others in an Academic setting does improve the opportunities for learning. Sharing thoughts with others and developing an understanding of how people think in relation to problem solving, for example, does foster learning learning.
Response to questions 1:
ReplyDeleteI would like to say yes but, unfortunately without a degree (even an A.A. is better than nothing) I could not promote them to Senior management. The officer would lack the proper acedemic training to be able to make Senior Management decisions. I would ask them to go back to school for a degree in the one of the following: Criminal Justice, Business Administration, Public administration or Human Resources and after they graduate we could happily revisit the topic of promotion.
In response to question 1, I believe the officer who has been on the force for 15 years but has no formal education history, such as a college degree SHOULD NOT be qualified for a promotion to a senior management position because this position requires alot of of responsibility, knowledge of effective management, proper supervision. Formal education beyond the academy enhances the officer's intellect and discretion to properly perform better on the job and be qualified for promotion. This is obviously the SOP for moving up in ranking in virtually all police departments.
ReplyDeleteAnswer to question 2:
ReplyDeleteHaving a degree helps the officer not see a situation as a problem but more like an Opportunity that can be managed. An acedemic backgrounds will hopefully help the officer to be able to come up with a well thoughout plans on how to better manage time, resources, and technology.
In relation to the question #3:
ReplyDeleteI think that the requirements should have some relationship with the size of the city, population, rate of crime, and things like that. For instance, a small town with few inhabitants maybe should not demand college degree. On the other hand, a big city, very populated, with high rate of crime should require such college degree in order to have most competent personnel for dealing with a variety of most complicated tasks and problems.
In response to question 2, I believe the degree ONLY helps the officer to an extent in decision making on the street. Yes, knowing theories and explanations why crime exists does open a new path to the officer, but I believe decision making in the street is more on a personal level. The officer has to be "street smart", be aware of every little detail of his surroundings, and have high discretion in his decisions he makes with society. These characteristics are learned from a young age but cannot be learned with a college degree; but the degree I do believe helps the officer understand criminals and their victims.
ReplyDeleteAnswer to question 3: I think that all officers should have a minimum of an A.A. degree to be able to work in the criminal Justice field. These are people who can arrest others and forever change that persons life. These are also the people we are entrusting to not violate civil and constitutional rights of those the person they are arresting. Unfortunately this would make it impossible to hire a substancial amount of police officers especially in a big city.
ReplyDeleteWhat I would do is place it as a hiring requirement. That new officers would have to get an A.A. in a 4 year time period. All new hire after the intial group would have to have a A.A. degree to be able to apply. You could always scrub toilets at the police station if you don't want to get an A.A.
Abswer to question 4: I want to work at the federal level but even at Miami Dade county or private company you are required to have a 4yr degree to be a crime scene investigator. At the federal level the FBI or NCIS will not take you without a bachelors degree. So for me a B.A.S. is requirement
ReplyDeleteIn response to question 3, YES, the college degree SHOULD be mandatory for all entry level officer positions in ALL police departments. Having the degree represents experience and professionalism about the career the person pursues and has a wide range of knowledge in the criminal justice system. Without a college degree, entry officers must be obliged to go back to school after training and the academy for formal education. But yes, a college degree should be mandatory for all entry level officers.
ReplyDeleteIn response to question 4, I do believe my college degree will help me tremendously in the future and in my career. It will not only look good in my resume, but it will show any agency that I am educated and have knowledge of the criminal justice system. My degree can help me open new doors to a successful career, network with other important people in the industry, and even pursue a higher degree in college in the future if I want to.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Mike Calderon on the reply he posted on question 4. There is one thing I would like to add to this posting. It is that regardless of the agency, a bachelor's degree was great about 10 years ago, today it means as much as a high school diploma. Given that said, if we stop at a bachelor's point then we are only worth so much to the professional world. We have to strive minimum on a master's degree. Hopefully things will settle and not require a PHD in the next 10 years.
ReplyDeleteI believe that policing has become a more comprehensive CAREER in the last 20 years. It has transitioned over time and requires that police officers be more "people" oriented than before. I do believe that along with a degree (in any field really) should be a major factor in determining a promotion of that rank along with the experience. You have to have experience that is hands on, and be book smart.
ReplyDeleteDecision making is something we do all day long. In policing, the officers decisions can determine many things such as taking / losing their life. I think officers should know about measuring risks, critical thinking and communication.
I think a college degree is imporatant but not required at the time of the application. It can be something they can obtain over time (& be paid for by the dept).
In my career, I HAVE to HAVE a Bachelors degree. I am required to many different tasks and communicate with different types of people. A college degree will allow me to formally do case management quality assurance (over-seeing all case management at a supervisory level) or interpret state/federal policies to create local operating procedures.
I agree that police should be 21 at the time of hire and not 18. Imagine, you can be a cop at 19 but not even be able to legally purchase alcohol???
ReplyDeleteIn response to Jessenia, you are so right, you can't even be a mail room clerk if you dont have a degree anymore. Miami Dade County actually hires you for certain jobs if you have an Associates degree and actual hands on steady work experience in the related field for 1 year or more.
ReplyDeleteI strongly belive that an officer that has been on the force for 15 deserves the higher position as opposed to hiring someone that has a degree but has not worked for the department. When we aply for a job, one of the questions in the application is years of experience related to the desired position.Book smart does not give us the necessary experience needed in order to perform at the desired position. Regardless of whether the person been hired has a degree or not, the department still has to train that person accordingly, they might as weel train someone that has showed them loyalty and the desire to grow within the department. As my cuban grandfather used to always say "mas vale malo conocido que bueno por conocer"(is better a bad already known;than a good to be known).
ReplyDeleteI also agree that a police officer’s requirement should be to have 21 years old. A police officer needs a lot of good judgment for deciding things as well as other cognitive skills. An eighteen-year old person is not totally capable for choosing the best options considering his/her frontal lobe reaches full maturity around age 25; thus, marking the cognitive maturity associated with adulthood.
ReplyDeleteI see everyones point as to how a degree is somewhat beneficial when making a decision, but in my opinion people skills are not learned. You can sharpen the skills and train the person to be better when dealing with the public but that is something that can not be taught. I have seen many students that are close to graduating with a bachelors degree yet they do not know how to effetively communicate with others. I have also seen people that do not know to read or write but they have a special way of treating others and actually get their point across.
ReplyDeleteI am not saying it is ok for an officer not to know how to read or write, what I think is that if you have the basic education such as an associates degree and are able to pass all the required tests, the person should be allowed to be an officer. Which brings me to question 3. I think the degree requirement should be left as it is. As long as the person can prove through tests that they are capable of handlng the job then it should be ok.
1. If a police officer has been on the force for 15 years, is s/he qualified for a promotion to a senior management position, even though s/he has no formal education beyond the academy? If yes, why? If no, why not?
ReplyDeleteYes, the officer should be qualified for the promotion based on 15 years of experience and job knowledge. Although, s/he has no formal education beyond the academy it still should not disqualified them. Having a college degree doesn’t give experience. Many management positions require you to have a number of years experience, and should you not have the years experience a degree is required.
In my career, not only is a PHD required, but it will also help me learn how to disect the human body and mind. My goal is to be a forensic psychologist and as much as I would love to have been borned knowing all about it, its impossible. I have to spend years learning to perform all pathological procedures and I also have to learn how to read and analyze the human brain. The reason a degree is required is because we are not borned knowing how to cut up a person to determine causes of death or we are not pre-equipped to speak to a serial killer suspect and determine based on interview and evidence collected at the crime scene whether the person is guilty or not. Further I have to be able to reconstruct the crime scenes based on what I know about the case. I think it would be ridiculous not to require a degree for what I want to do given that it takes many years of study to learn each and every aspect of my carrer.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Eugenia. The age requirement should be raised to 21 yrs of age. This will also give that individual applying to the police department time to hopefully be more mature, have some life experiences and time to have atleast gone to school to receive a A.A. degree.
ReplyDeleteI agree Dr. Kalam. Life skills, street saviness and aptitude is needed to be an effective police officer. Police officers should be able to be more attentive to details. It is in those details that sometimes helps you solve the who done it and why types of crimes. This attentiveness is not learned but it is something that you are born with. Education maybe helps fine tune that saviness.
ReplyDeleteIn order for someone to take the role of Senior management they must be able to see ahead. There must be goals that are set and their directives have to be clear so others can follow through. Senior management are the leaders that every one must follow by example. The last thing you want is to place someone with lower qualifications to run a section of the police department. The problem with placing someone with lower qualifications is that they may not have the knowledge or leadership skills to complete their task effectively and may start falling behing on their duties, thus bring their department down to lower standards.
ReplyDeleteHas anyone else viewed the video that is posted? It is old and black and white film, but it is not so far off. The police departments still handle some of these situations of the mentally ill, 40 years latter exactly the same.
ReplyDelete2. How does having a college degree help the officer on the street with decision making?
ReplyDeleteA college degree would help the officer a great deal when it comes to decision making. The officer is able to analyze, communicate, and interpret information that is being giving to him. He is then able to perform his duties better. Also, it wouldn’t hurt to be a little street smart.
3. Should the college degree be mandatory for entry level officer positions in ALL police departments?
ReplyDeleteI don’t think a college degree should be mandatory for a entry level police officer position. For instants, if a person has a college degree s/he is likely not going to apply for an entry level position as a officer. They’re going to look at it as if I went to school four years just to put my life on the line. They would apply for the position that’s a lot less dangerous. College is not for everybody.
4. Will your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How?
ReplyDeleteYes, it will. I think with today’s job market to become a crime scene investigator my B.S. degree will open up many doors, since many agencies require you to have A.A or A.S degree. Also, having my degree will allow my to advance to management positions. With a degree it helps you to communicate and make better decisions.
Yes, I saw the movie and I agree with you.
ReplyDeleteWill your college degree help you with your career? if yes, How? Yes, my college degree will help me with my career by helping me understand the policy and standards of the Criminal Justice career. I also plan on trying to go to the federal side of law enforcement like the F.B.I even though I know its hard to get in. This college degree is increasing my intellegience in the field. A college degree is the minimum to a lot of higher end jobs.
ReplyDeleteI watched the video too and I also agree with Jessenia and Claudia.
ReplyDeleteI watched the video, and it all makes sense now. When you look at the prison population today, many of them are mentally ill and do not get the proper rehabilitative services they need to "get better" or control their conditions after they are released. I think that is why they recidivate. But thanks for pointing that out.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the video points out and supports the idea that because police may be dealing with people who are mentally ill, they require more than a police academy training. They should require that officers have formal education (at entry or early on in their career) to have a better understanding of how to deal with this population and their thinking process (psych class, sociology, human begavior, etc.).
I agree with mmartinez here "train someone that has showed them loyalty and the desire to grow within the department". This shows that this is not just a job, or a check, but a career. The risk that officers put themselves in every day is just too much and we sometimes overlook that and just want the policeman to come solve our problem, and keep it moving. Whenever I have a guest speaker in my classes and they say they have a Bachelors degree, or a Masters, I am amazed and I see that as a great accomplishment because it shows that they are more than just your neighborhood cop. They actually were educated and understand this world better and can apply their knowledge to the work they do such as in community policing. So the officer has an advantage because he has done the job and he has been formally educated.
ReplyDeleteMonica I see your point when you say that college is not for everyone. I agree with you. Some people are also bad test takers. So if your knowledge is going to based on your test scores and not performance, it won't be fair.
ReplyDeleteI also watched the video clip I agree with you ladies...
ReplyDeleteLilian Coto said...
ReplyDeleteI agree that college is not for everyone, and would also include that some don't need it because they are naturally gifted. I say that because I have been encountered with several people that have great positions with good companies/organizations and are just fine making fairly good money.
I definitely think that the officer should receive some type of promotion . However, I don’t believe he or she may be qualified for a management position in the ranks. I can’t say I see that person as the head chief of police for a county. Why I say that is because being on the force that many years you are exposed to a lot of situations and scenarios on the streets. Even if you may not be knowledgeable enough to know what goes on at management level. I further believe that a person not properly educated can do more damage to an organization.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Lilian Coto, They should require that police officers have formal education/training to have a better understanding of how to deal with the mentally ill population and their thinking process.
ReplyDeleteI also agree with Jessinia Adkinson,
ReplyDeleteAnswer to question 4: A college degree help you with your career . So, for me a B.A.S. is a step and then on to my Masters. I agree with the statistics on those with degrees not only earn more but, make better more educated choices.